Part 2 of what we like and don't like about Sea Spirit

... continued from previous entry.



Fuel system

In addition to having enough fuel capacity (2105 US gallons), I was quite interested in how reliable and convenient the fuel system was going to be on Sea Spirit. As it turns out, the company did nearly everything right, and the things they didn't do right, were easy to fix. One thing they did right that a lot of boat builders get wrong, is to ensure that new fuel can enter the tanks at a good rate of speed. This sounds very simple, but there's more to it than meets the eye. In addition to having a large, direct, reasonably-vertical path from fuel filler inlets to the main tanks, there also needs to be a fuel vent from each tank, large enough to let large amounts of air escape. Boats that don't have these characteristics can take a long time to refuel. Sea Spirit refuels quickly.

The fuel system consists of two port and two starboard tanks, plus a substantial "day tank". The two port tanks are connected together at their lowest points, as are the two starboard tanks, but can be isolated. There is also a large hose that connects the lowest point of the port tanks to the lowest point of the starboard tanks. Valves allow one to have all of these connections either open or closed. On Sea Spirit, we run with the two tanks on each side connected to each other, but the cross-connect between port and starboard closed. This effectively gives us a "port bank" and a "starboard bank". The day tank is a 180 gallon fuel tank, from which the engine and generators take their fuel. Each day, fuel is transferred from a main tank to the day tank by means of a fuel polishing pump (that cleans the fuel of any particulates, and collects any water condensation, as it transfers the fuel). Thus, the day tank is always a source of fuel in pristine condition, ensuring the health of the engines. If all the fuel transfer pumps fail, it is still possible to move fuel into the day tank using simply gravity, from any main tank. Since the chances of gravity failing are slim, the system should be considered extremely reliable. Although there are electric fuel gauges in the wheelhouse, the ultimate measure of the fuel levels is taken by looking at various sight gauges, through which the fuel itself can be seen. You can see one of the sight gauges here.

 
 
As it came from Sea Spirit Yachts, Sea Spirit's fuel system had a couple of quirks. First of which was that while the company had installed a very high quality fuel polishing system from Racor, it only allowed polishing fuel as the fuel entered the day tank. Thus, there was no way to polish fuel in the main tanks, or even to re-polish the fuel already in the day tank. When fuel sits for a long time in any tank, trouble can pay a visit in the form of sediments, growth, water, and so on. While it is acceptable to only be able to polish (which really just means "filter") the fuel as it is transferred to the day tank, it is far better to be able to polish it from and back into one of the main tanks. That way, the main tank fuel can be kept clean, preventing the accumulation of trouble in the first place. One hears stories of main tanks whose fuel was thought to be clean, but after being sloshed around in a rough seaway, a lot of guck was churned up. That guck hopefully never makes it to the engine where it can clog up an injector, but it certainly can clog up the filters and starve the engine, right at the time when one doesn't want to be mucking around changing filters. As I say, it is far better to simply have clean fuel everywhere on the boat, eliminating this problem, or at least discovering the problem at a safe, convenient time.

 
 
To remedy the fuel polishing situation, I had to have a new manifold fabricated and installed (above left -- yellow handles), and some new fuel plumbing made. Fortunately, this was easy in Ft. Lauderdale, and took only a few days in total. Thank goodness the access inside the engine room is very good. I also had a second fuel polishing pump plumbed and wired in, in parallel to the existing one. This means that a faulty pump won't stop me from moving fuel around, even against the force of gravity. As a final backup, even if all fuel transfer pumps fail, I can use gravity to transfer fuel into the day tank, from which it will be drawn into the engine by the engine's own mechanical pump.

Speaking of filters, I think Sea Spirit Yachts chose very well. Everything is Racor, with double paralleled filters on the main engine, so that one can change filters without stopping the engine. You can't quite see it here, but the dual Racors have a vacuum gauge between them, which helps identify when the filter is beginning to clog. The generator filters don't have that yet, but they will be installed this week. As you can see from the image below, everything is clean and labeled, avoiding the current trend of placing absolutely all tubing, piping, and wires behind bulkheads. I feel fortunate that Sea Spirit Yachts made access a priority.

 
 
Generators

Sea Spirit has two Northern Lights generators, one of which is 20KW and the other is 16KW. Either generator seems to be powerful enough to run everything important on the boat, including air conditioners. Perhaps I will need to run both at once sometime, but I haven't had to so far. There seem to be two schools of thought about generators. Either they should both be identical, so that spare parts can be shared, or one should be significantly different in capacity from the other, so that you can start the generator that best meets the load demand of the boat. Many people are of the opinion that running a diesel engine at less than 60% (roughly) power is bad for it. However, with these modern, electronically controlled diesels, I'm not sure this is the case any more. My main engine, for example, has no trouble generating the right internal temperatures, even at low power. So, I am not as worried about some people about running a large generator with a small load. Given that, if I were spec-ing out a new boat, I'd order two identical generators, for simplicity. I'm not sure why one of mine is a 16 and one a 20. They both seem to take up the same amount of space, and indeed are both based on the same engine block (the 20 has a longer stroke). The Northern Lights generators are extremely well respected, but other brands such as Kohler are known to be good too. I'm happy with mine. They are very quiet - much quieter than I thought they would be, even inside the engine room. 

 
 
Both of Sea Spirit's generators have hydraulic pumps attached to them, to send power to the "get home" engine (described below). Note: It looks like these generators would be hard to service. However, the "sound enclosures" surrounding them come apart very easily, just by undoing 4 clips (no screwdriver required), and so access is actually pretty good.

 
 
Hydraulic stabilizers.

The main engine also has a hydraulic pump on it, but for a different purpose -- to power the hydraulic stabilizers. I sometimes wonder whether it is better to have one hydraulic system that powers everything, or two (or more) separate ones. I can see plusses and minuses to each. For example, on Sea Spirit, if there's a loss of pressure in the get-home drive, it doesn't affect the stabilizers because they are on a separate system. On the other hand, if the main engine stops, the hydraulic pumps on the generators cannot power the stabilizers. It's a conundrum, probably one with no "absolute right" answer.

Sea Spirit's stabilizers are from Wesmar, although the manufacturer offers a number of other options. I have no basis for comparison with other systems, but I can say that while the boat is reasonably stable without them turned on, it is very stable with them turned on. The fins are 9 square feet each, which seems about "average" for this length of boat. Some stabilizer systems allow the boat to be stabilized while at anchor, but Sea Spirit's system does not. As you can see from the picture, the system is both rugged and straightforward.

 
 
A word about stabilization. There seem to be three kinds of motion that cause motion sickness: roll, pitch, and heave (which is the vertical up and down motion of the boat as it is lifted and dropped by waves). Of these, roll is the most severe, and this is what stabilizers correct for. However, heave is also a significant component of mal de mer, and stabilizers do nothing for heave.

Exhaust

Here, there were some things that we liked, and some things that we didn't. Fortunately, without me even asking, the manufacturer chose to address the exhaust system's shortcomings during the commissioning period. What we liked was that the exhaust for all three engines (main plus two generators) went through air/water separators, releasing the liquid below the water line, and the gas above. This greatly reduces the "percolating" sound that would otherwise occur if both gas and water were released together. What we didn't like was that the exhaust "mixer" (the place where cooling water is introduced into the hot exhaust stream to greatly cool it), was made of stainless steel. Stainless steel is great until it corrodes over time, and my understanding is that it is never a good choice for below the waterline. While the exhaust is not below the waterline, it is immersed in sea water, and hot seawater at that. The whole exhaust system was upgraded to use far better materials, including the use of Inconel for the mixer. Inconel is FAR more resistant to corrosion. In the generator photo (above), you can see the old exhaust, before the upgrade. Here is a photo after the upgrade. The materials are much better.

 
 
Seacocks

All of the seacocks on the boat are bronze, and are made by Perko, and have heavy bronze handles. There are many cheaper brands on the market, but Perko and Groco seem to hold the upper end of the market. There are only a few below-the-water-line seacocks. One is for the main engine, there's one for each generator, one for the air conditioning, and one for the watermaker. One could quibble that perhaps there should be a sea chest. A sea chest in its simplest form is simply a large hole in the bottom of the boat, with sides that are raised inside the boat so as to be above the water line. Seawater inlets for the boat's machinery are taken from the sides of this box. The box often has a glass top, so that one can see the condition of the actual inlets from inside the boat. One can supposedly remove the glass top, reach down into the water, and clean the inlets. It's a really cool idea. I'm sure the box imposes some drag, and of course, it takes up some space inside the engine room. The most interesting version of this that I've heard about involves placing the box over top of the propellor. This means that one can reach down and untangle the propellor if it becomes tangled. At any rate, Sea Spirit does not have a sea chest, and so has individual seacocks for each of those 5 items. 

 
 
Sea Spirit Yachts went further, putting seacocks on above-the-water-line drains, such as deck drains, as well as on the outlets from the air conditioner, water maker, and so on. Even in the event of a severe list (tilt) in the boat, it will be possible to choose which holes in the boat are open and which are closed.

Air Conditioning

Sea Spirit has a CruisAir "tempered water" system. Time will tell how well this system works, but it has some advantages over a system that blows cold air through the boat. The main advantage is that odors from one room don't get blown into another room. However, CruisAir has a problem with their system. The inrush current when the compressors come on is very high. So high, that it started to cause momentary low voltage conditions on the boat, which caused the lights to flicker, and so on. The solution should have come via a free upgrade from CruisAir. However, we had to buy the upgrade, in the form of a pair of CruisAir "Smart Start" boxes. These control the compressors at start-up time, limiting the inrush current to something reasonable. Having installed these boxes, the problem has disappeared, and we are happy with the system. The CruisAir system has reverse cycle heat, and can be supplemented by a diesel boiler to further raise the temperature of the "tempered water". With the boat in Florida, I thought I'd leave the installation of a diesel boiler until we were somewhere where the technicians see a lot of them, such as Seattle.

 
 
Get-home engine

The jury is still out on this one. Most single-engine commercial fishing boats have no backup engine at all. But to me, the idea of having a backup means of propulsion was very attractive. Sea Spirit has the Keypower Get Home drive. This is a hydraulic motor that clamps around the propellor shaft, and is bolted to the hull. It is driven by hydraulic power supplied from either or both of Sea Spirit's generators. So, if the main engine stops turning the propellor shaft, it is possible to start one of the generators, flip a couple of switches in the wheelhouse (or engine room) and engage the get-home drive. The drive works in forward or reverse, and is fully proportional. However, like most auxiliary means of propulsion, it doesn't make the boat go very fast. I need to do some more measurements, but I think 3 to 4 knots is all I'm going to get. That's enough to keep the boat pointed in the right direction and making some headway, but if a failure happens a long way from land, it could take a long time to "get home".

There are two alternatives to this approach. One is to have twin main engines instead of a single. The other is to have a "wing engine" mounted off to the side, with its own shaft and folding prop, much as a sailboat might have. Both of these approaches have one big advantage over Sea Spirit, and also some disadvantages. The advantage is this. if the reason the boat stopped moving is that the propellor became tangled, there is a possibility that the other engine's prop is still free. But in return for that advantage, you either get a very cramped engine room (twins) or a wing engine that you have to keep exercised or else forget about it starting when you really need it. Even so, I have read a few accounts where people's wing engines have become entangles by whatever entangled the main propellor. I've also read accounts where wing engine shafts became a significant source of seawater leaking into the boat. If I were one of those people who absolutely must have a wing engine with its own shaft (as opposed to twin engines, or an around-the-main-shaft system such as Sea Spirits), I would strongly consider having that wing shaft be driven hydraulically from a generator. That way, you get the extra drive shaft, but not the extra engine to worry about. Still, keeping it leak-free and in working order might make me wish for a system like Sea Spirit's. In many respects, the compromise that Sea Spirit has is a very good one, but it is arguable as to whether it is the best one or not.

There was one thing I didn't like about the get-home engine setup on Sea Spirit. The manufactuer had hidden the system's controls underneath the helm, to be taken out only in the event of an emergency. I had the controls relocated to the main helm, where they will now be exercised frequently, since they are no longer "out of sight, out of mind".

Fresh water pumps

Sea Spirit has twin HeadHunter fresh water pumps, both of which are plumbed in and ready to go. This is the ultimate form of "spare part", although it does mean that both pumps need to be exercised from time to time. With a 400 gallon capacity, there should always be plenty of fresh water for wash downs, showers, and so on.

 
 
Watermaker

Sea Spirit did not come from the factory with a watermaker installed. This is understandable, since there is so much owner-preference for watermaker brands. I chose a Sea Recovery Aquamatic 1800 gallon per day system. But why would I want to make 1800 gallons per day? Simple, because that means I can make 75 gallons while running the generator for only one hour. The other 23 hours of the day can be quiet. The Aquamatic is fully controllable from the wheelhouse or from a panel on the unit itself. Also, the unit speaks "NMEA 2000" networking, meaning that I should be able to monitor and/or control it from an iPad sooner or later.

I chose to install a "modular" watermaker. This means that the various parts -- filters, pumps, membranes, and so on -- are separate from each other, and can be mounted wherever the shape of the boat best allows. In Sea Spirit's case, the boat had a fair amount of space under the swim step, and that's where much of the watermaker went. We paid particular attention to access, since we didn't want to ruin the great job that Sea Spirit Yachts did in providing good access to pretty much everything on the boat. I don't have any good photos of the system right now, but will modify this blog entry once I do.

Access panels

This is another area where Sea Spirit Yachts learned more as it built more and more hulls. Mine is hull #2, and while access was plentiful and generous, that access sometimes required unscrewing things. While it is inevitable that some things will require unscrewing, I am not comfortable with inspection items that require unscrewing. In Sea Spirit's case, I felt there needed to be more easily removable (without screwdriver) access panels than there were. For example, there weren't as many access panels in certain places, such as the engine room floor, where it would be useful to inspect bilges, sensors, and so on. Instead, whole floor panels needed to be unscrewed in order to access certain things that were operating below.

Sea Spirit Yachts has improved this situation on future hulls. But I wanted my hull to have the benefit of those lessons too. We worked with a fabricator to create access panels in the floor that could simply be lifted out. In my view, a panel that must be unscrewed is a panel that will not be unscrewed until too late. By contrast, a panel that can easily be lifted out will be inspected much more frequently, hopefully avoiding a problem, or at least detecting it while still in a convenient place and time. Here is an example of one of the new engine room floor access panels.

 
 
Similarly, there were a few places on the boat where I wanted to be able to quickly look at some components, but found them located behind screwed-in access panels. The answer: Replace those panels with easily-openable doors, hatches, and so on. There were only a handful of them, but having got this right, I now feel we can really easily and quickly check out anything on the boat. Here is a "before" example of one panel that I felt needed a better method of access, and that now has one.

 
 
House batteries

At least, that's what I'm used to calling them in the motorhome world. I'm referring to the batteries that feed the inverter, lights, electronics, and so on. There are several other batteries on the boat, for starting the main engine, generators, dinghy, and so on. But the house batteries are important, because without them, you can't have light or amenities without running a generator.

Sea Spirit has a 24 Volt electrical system, and came with 4 8D Lifeline AGM batteries. In my opinion, while these are wonderful batteries, there are not enough of them. Fortunately, there were 4 more identical batteries just sitting around doing almost nothing most of the time. These are the batteries for the bow and stern thruster. I had an electrician wire in a switched connection between the house and thruster banks, effectively doubling the amount of power available at anchor. For the techies among us, it goes like this. Before the change, I had about 10 kilowatt hours of battery capacity. After the change, I now have 20 kilowatts. It is always a good idea to discharge the batteries no more than 50% (perhaps a bit more for AGM batteries). This means that after the change, I can comfortably use 10 kilowatts overnight, or draw down about 416 Amp hours at 24 Volts (832 Amp hours at 12 Volts), and still not be drawing the batteries down by more than 50%. For comparison purposes, a 1500 Watt microwave on for 6 minutes uses about 6.25 Amp Hours at 24V.

Incidentally, there are various switches for interconnecting or isolating the banks of batteries on the boat. So, if I want to use the house batteries to boost the generator or main engine starting batteries, I can do so. Similarly, I can use any of the 4 alternators on the boat, or even the inverter and battery charger, to charge any and all of the battery banks. I hope never to need these interconnects, but they could come in handy in the event of a bad battery or an inattentive skipper. Here is an example of some switches for controlling the battery interconnects. In this case, these control whether the generator and main engine batteries are interconnected or not, and whether they are allowed to feed each of the two generators. In this case, they are. 

 
 
Engine controls and YachtController

This might be controversial. I have three sets of engine controls on the boat. One in the wheelhouse. One on the flybridge. And one in my pocket. The pocket one is called YachtController, and is essentially a radio frequency remote controller that runs the transmission, bow thruster, stern thruster, and anchor windlass. I nearly didn't install a YachtController, opting instead for additional wired controls. But when I looked at where I wanted those controls, there was always just one more place. Portuguese bridge port and starboard, cockpit, back of the upper boat deck, near the anchor on the foredeck -- it became ridiculous. I don't know whether there will be problems with the YachtController, and there are things it won't do, such as control the rudder or rev up the engines. It is most emphatically NOT as capable as full duplicated engine/rudder/thruster controls. But, it can be used anywhere on the boat. It can even be used to nudge a thruster from the dock, which we've all wished we can do from time to time when tying up short-handed.

 
 
I can see myself possibly adding another set of full engine controls at the stern if the YachtController is insufficient on poor to moderate days. But I am hoping it works out well.

Little bilge sumps for various things

The air conditioner condensation runs into its own small bilge box, about a foot across and a few inches deep. The shower sumps also run into something similar. Those boxes then feed either overboard or into a grey water tank. This strikes me as a great system, keeping two common sources of daily water out of the main bilges. In this picture, you can see the sump that collects air conditioner condensate. All those droplets are on the inside of the box, but are pumped overboard. If the pump ever fails, the sump would just overflow into the main bilge. But this way, those bilges remain dry in normal operation.

 
 
Engine room filtered bilge tank

There are a couple of sumps in the engine room where bilge water might accumulate. Since they are in the engine room, the bilge water may have some oily particles in it. Rather than pumping these overboard, they are sent through an oil/water separator, which looks like a large drinking water filter. From there, it passes into an 80 US gallon enclosed bilge tank. This tank can be pumped overboard or, can be pumped out at the dock. I believe this is an extremely environmentally friendly way to go, since it gives me the ability to clean up a messy, oily bilge, and either discharge overboard or (if it is really oily, say from a spilled oil bucket or blown hydraulic line), have it pumped out later. I have not seen this on any other boats, although I'm sure that just means I should take more engine room tours.

 
 
Charles Isoboost transformers

These are really cool. Well, not literally. Literally, they are fairly hot, at least when in use. What they are is transformers that automagically detect low shore power voltage, and increase it by 15%. When the shore voltage comes back up again, it automagically reverts back to unboosted operation. This protects the boat's systems from many shore power problems. The Isoboost transformers also provide electrical isolation from shore power, and there are galvanic isolators too. Apparently, these transformers are particularly good at bringing 208V power up to 240V, allowing me greater flexibility in shore powering. I'm sorry the pictures don't give you more of a sense of scale. The units are about a foot wide, and half as much again tall. When in heavy use, they get almost too hot to touch, but the manual says they are supposed to. From what I've heard, other similar solutions get even hotter.

 
 
Fore and aft power inlets

Sea Spirit has 50 Amp and 30 Amp power inlets both fore and aft. One of the aft ones is on a Glendinning electric cord retracter/extender, greatly lessening the chore of hooking up.

Side deck door

Between the side deck and the cockpit (at the back of the boat), there is a door that can be latched closed during windy days at sea. This leaves the rear area completely protected, even if there's a 30 knot gale blowing across the bow. You can see the door on the starboard side in this photo of a sister ship (hull #3).

 
 
Boarding doors at different levels

It is possible to board Sea Spirit at three different levels: Swim platform near the water, starboard amidships 3 steps up from that level, and starboard foreward another couple of steps up again. This means that a great tidal variation can be accommodated, even with non-floating docks. I've seen many other boats where there is far less vertical variation in terms of ability to come aboard.

Electronics

This is mostly a good news story, although there are a couple of frustrations. Sea Spirit came with a trio of Garmin 5212 Chartplotters, Garmin radar, depth sounder, autopilot, and GPS, and an ICOM M604 VHF radio. While this certainly did the boat and crew proud while running around the boat shows on the East coast of the US, there were some missing items of importance to me for longer, offshore voyaging. In addition to the electronics mentioned above, I added the following: Garmin AIS, another M604 VHF radio, an ICOM M802 SSB radio, five Garmin GMI-10 displays (overkill, but hear me out), a KVH Mini-VSAT satellite Internet and telephone system, an Airmar PB-200 wind and atmospheric pressure sensor, an Airmar ultrasonic speed-through-the-water system (which I really bought to let the Garmin chart plotters compute current), and dedicated antennae for cellular and Wifi services. I also replaced the existing VHF antenna with a taller one. To top off the upgrades, I added a closed circuit television system so that I could monitor the engine room, cockpit, and boat deck from the helm, or from any convenient iPad/PC. Phew, this was the most major upgrade to the boat since buying it!

Why did I install 5 GMI-10 instrument displays? I put one in each cabin, so that whoever is sleeping there can open an eye and see what the wind/current is doing, which way the bow is pointed, and whether the anchor is dragging. This is an absolute luxury, but wasn't very expensive to install. I also installed two GMI-10's on the dash as "ancillary" displays for the helmsman.

So, what's not to like? The ICOM radios won't receive instructions from the Garmin chart plotters. If it were a Garmin radio, I could click on an AIS target on the chart plotter, and have my radio call that boat using its MMSI number. But since the ICOM doesn't talk to the Garmin, if I want to do that I need to key in the other boat's MMSI number by hand. No big deal, but this is the year 2011, and such things should just work. Ok, in the big scheme of things, this is a very minor thing to be annoyed about. But there are a few others. The Garmin chart plotters, which are superb pieces of equipment, apparently don't have enough oomph to display video data at full screen resolution. So, from the helm, I can have a 1/4 screen window looking into the engine room, but cannot zoom it to full screen. This is unacceptable, as is the suggested solution from Garmin -- to upgrade to 7212's from 5212's. The 7212's don't have this problem. But they are very expensive when bought in lots of three. Before committing to this upgrade, I am going to consider whether a different approach to chart plotters might be better, one involving personal computers and flat screen displays. 

For now, even with these limitations, the Garmin 5212 chart plotters are still wonderful. They integrate a 2D or 3D view of the world, radar, XM weather, and instruments, and present it all with a touch screen interface that is fairly simple to use. And the rest of the system is absolutely phenomenal!

Wheelhouse

This was what made my wife fall in love with the interior of the boat (although she's pretty mechanically inclined too). The notion of having the wheelhouse as a roomy gathering place for meals, home-schooling, or what-have-you, really appealed to us. There is a huge amount of space here -- it is really another living room. It is also possible to close this room off from the salon/galley with a wooden door, allowing all sorts of things to be happening in the salon without disturbing the helmsman. This is particularly useful at night, where glare from a television or house lights could ruin the helmsman's night vision.

 
 
Interior layout

I'm not going into any detail here. You can see the pictures on other parts of this web site, or on the manufacturer's site. It suffices to say that Sea Spirit's tastes and our own certainly coincide. There's a lot of really nice wood here, all perfectly put together. We've always liked wood -- we even used to live in a log cabin in Calgary.

Phew! That was a marathon couple of blog entries. I promise, they will be shorter in the future. I just wanted to get all the boat stuff down before we left home in Honolulu, which we'll do tomorrow. Friday morning, we'll be aboard! Then it's a couple of weeks provisioning and testing, and we push off for the Bahamas in early February. 

Yes, we are just a little excited. --- Dan

Comments

Hi Dan, I had started a reply to your last E-mail about a month ago, and put off responding--hoping that you would come up with something like this review. Great job! Excellent thought process and research. I also had an E-mail exchange with Judy Waldman about another subject, and she described you as one of her best and ideal clients! Please consider these thoughts as compliments, and suggestions which might help along the way. I also realize that there are not unlimited resources, either time or financial when dealing with boats. As for the Video, I would consider just a television moniter. One trick I am using at my home is one of the Clover DVR for my security systems. You can moniter at 720 and store on large hard drives. The Clover DVR has a number of advantages, including allowing to stream directly 4 or 8 video sources to one screen, and then pick the one you want for enlargement. You can store the images for legal and security purposes, and if necessary print any one or sequences out, transfer to DVD's or a computer for internet streaming directly. In several cases, my street high def cams have picked up the license plates of cars involved with criminal activity on our area, and I was able to supply LEO with digital photos of the license plates. You can also stream this video to other monitors about your vessel. I would probably add a Garmin Radio, just for the convenience. I doubt that I would upgrade to the 7212--you don't get all that much more which will be of value to you. I agree with the GMI 10's and this is exactly what I have done on several of my larger boats--but wonder if there may be other places, than the staterooms. Maybe two staterooms--and then the main saloon, and other places where you "hang out" would be a better choice. I didn't see FLIR--and considering that you will have a lot of screen light in the pilot house, I would consider a thermal imaging system--especially if you are going into 3rd world countries. This was one thing I would have added, if it had been available at the time I was doing my long distance cruising. Low light/amplification of course is cheaper, but not a substitute. We had instances where I thought I saw an occasional echo on the radar, and sent Marie to the bow to look--yep it was a panga, with a native asleep, drifting right in our path. I was probably getting a very faint radar paint of the outboard. We also hit a Styrofoam float to a tuna net (3/4" steel cables), it spun the boat 180 degrees, even though I was out of gear. No damage, but the cable was imprinted on the boss of the prop! In another racing boat we hit ashipping container just at the surface--fortunately that boat had a 2 1/2" thick balsa core, and although the outer hull was breached, the inner hull layer was just delaminated, and no hole in the boat! I had already mentioned the Furuno Weather Fax--but you are going with the PC, and a good internet connection (I assume)--so that should work. You might also pull the output off the Icom 802 for your PC FAX system--both the receiver and the antenna system will be far better than the small Sony that you used in your experiments. On the fuel system--I agree with 99% and think you did a good job. Some go with the gulf Coast filters for their greater capacity in the polishing system. My only concern is the feed off the bottom of the tanks--two issues: One is that I want the very lowest part for sediment drain--several inches above for the transfer point. Second, Is I prefer a solid tubing to any hose. The risk there is minimal of both cutting or damage--or fire, but both are present, and a solid tubing gets away from these issues. In your case you can leave the valves shut unless you are transferring fuel. I assume that you have tank inspection plates. I had one instance where we got sea water in thru the tank vents--and I had to get into the tanks to completely clean them. After that, I made it a ritual to every 6 months run the fuel down to 50% or less, and then transfer out of one tank at a time, then open the tank, pump out any "crud" and then clean the bottom of the tank with paper towels. It was amazing what amount of debris we got. We also used a 3 section "Baja" filter when fueling--but only had 700 gallons, so much less fuel than you deal with (but also much about 1/4 the hp, for approximately the same length of boat, but lighter and narrower beam--and about the same speeds. The reason being that my boat was a motor sailor, and much different lines aft--which I will address a bit later). Gensets--again mostly informational. I prefer to set a larger boat up with two gensets--one to take all of of systems running at once, the other a night generator. The night generator would carry the back up systems, chargers and air conditioning/heating. My guess is that the factory had a 20 KW and a 16 KW in stock, so they put them in--you would be surprised how often this happens. There is no logic for the 4 KW difference. The one area think you may want to change, and that is the hydraulic vs. electric windlass and thrusters. At one point I was looking at boats this size, with thrusters, and there was between 25 and 50 hp hydraulic systems dedicated to these. Recently I bid on a US marshal's sale 65 footer, and it had two stern winches, the windlass and thruster running off the hydraulics (one pump on one of the two mains, and the other on a 25 KW genset). (The bank ended up buying it back for far more than it was worth--apparently the marshal's sale was just to clear the documented title.) Anchors--I like at least two, preferably 3 on the bow. I probably would add a bow pulpit with second anchor. Creative Marine has made some anchors for the oil rigs which would be big enough for your boat (SuperMax). The Ronca and Spade are also high on my list. I agree with the Fortress for stern--but if sometime you get caught in a hurricane, you don't have enough anchoring gear or way to handle it. Again--what are the risks? There are some parts of the world where it take specialty anchors to hold. For example I eventually had a special fisherman's type of anchor hand forged in Bodrum, Turkey to cut thru the heavy weeds. Before then I had to dive on the anchor with a hatchet, and cut the grass roots, to get the anchor started (75 lb CQR). This became my 3rd anchor forward--again a sailboat, so more room up there on a long bow sprit for anchors..and I had two windlasses forward. (The 3 part 150 lb anchor lived in the bilge, and was never used) Batteries--I don't like the 8D, but that is what you have. The L 16 or traction batteries are far superior, and I suspect if you keep the boat longer than a set of batteries, that is what you will go to. Not sure about the what your demands are, but suspect you will eventually want more battery capacity for the inverters and other systems. You did the correct thing by wiring the two banks together. The question is do you have the capacity to charge them rapidly? For example, I had both a 130 amp charger on the inverter, and a 150 amp alternator on the main and genset to charge a battery bank half the size of yours. Agree with the water maker capacity--I would run the genset a couple of hours a day: charge the batteries, heat the water, make water, wash clothes, compressor bring the holding plates on the refer and freezer down to low temps. Hull type--and this is not a criticism. Nordhavn put a flat surface on the 62's hull extension to get around the "stern squat" with the almost double ended hull. In your case, this design is built in. To me there may be some disadvantage in heavy following seas. My boat was double ended at the water line--that is as the hull lines came aft, there was not a lot of reserve buoyancy, and a very round underbody. The transom was typical "wine glass"--knife edge at the waterline, broad above. Despite being in 40 foot plus breaking seas, running down wind for a number of days, we never had a tendency to broach. It was not the water breaking against the upper part of the transom--the boat had enough lift to avoid that (some top of waves came aboard)--but there was nothing flat below the waterline for the wave to push around. I wonder how your flattened and concave area aft will work if you ever are unfortunate enough to encounter these conditions or a breaking bar at a harbor entrance? The good part, is that you can push the boat beyond the theoretical hull speed with out much stern squat. Now down to what I had mentioned in the last response, which I never sent. That is weather this time of the year between the Bahamas and Florida--can even go down to the Windward passage. Even with a boat your size and design, it can be very rough for quite some time. My concern is your time line. I have seen boats having to wait weeks to find an adequate weather window. A schedule is always difficult. The second issue is if you are taking crew or other experienced boaters with you? If just you and the wife and family standing watch, then it can be fatiguing. I find that the single overnighter is the hardest to deal with. After two nights, your body gets into the rhythm, and you do well with the 3 on and 3 off (that is our schedule--you may decide differently, or have more crew). Again, Thanks for including us in you very well written blog and analysis. We wish you the very best! I may even have to get an antenna up so I can talk with you en route on one of the ham nets! We look forward to following your voyages! Best regards! Bob and Marie Austin Pensacola, FL.

 Bob Austin  1/20/2011

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SUBJECT: Re: Blog Comment Submitted Gentlemen: I believe I was included in this email by error-------THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! I learned a great deal--and I am not in the least bit complaining. Don Cochrane In a message dated 1/20/2011 5:41:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, dan@f... writes: ... continued from previous entry. Fuel system In addition to having enough fuel capacity (2105 US gallons), I was quite interested in how reliable and convenient the fuel system was going to be on Sea Spirit. As it turns out, the company did nearly everything right, and the things they didn't do right, were easy to fix. One thing they did right that a lot of boat builders get wrong, is... Comments: Posted by Bob Austin on Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:41:11 GMT Hi Dan, I had started a reply to your last E-mail about a month ago, and put off responding--hoping that you would come up with something like this review. Great job! Excellent thought process and research. I also had an E-mail exchange with Judy Waldman about another subject, and she described you as one of her best and ideal clients! Please consider these thoughts as compliments, and suggestions which might help along the way. I also realize that there are not unlimited resources, either time or financial when dealing with boats. As for the Video, I would consider just a television moniter. One trick I am using at my home is one of the Clover DVR for my security systems. You can moniter at 720 and store on large hard drives. The Clover DVR has a number of advantages, including allowing to stream directly 4 or 8 video sources to one screen, and then pick the one you want for enlargement. You can store the images for legal and security purposes, and if necessary print any one or sequences out, transfer to DVD's or a computer for internet streaming directly. In several cases, my street high def cams have picked up the license plates of cars involved with criminal activity on our area, and I was able to supply LEO with digital photos of the license plates. You can also stream this video to other monitors about your vessel. I would probably add a Garmin Radio, just for the convenience. I doubt that I would upgrade to the 7212--you don't get all that much more which will be of value to you. I agree with the GMI 10's and this is exactly what I have done on several of my larger boats--but wonder if there may be other places, than the staterooms. Maybe two staterooms--and then the main saloon, and other places where you "hang out" would be a better choice. I didn't see FLIR--and considering that you will have a lot of screen light in the pilot house, I would consider a thermal imaging system--especially if you are going into 3rd world countries. This was one thing I would have added, if it had been available at the time I was doing my long distance cruising. Low light/amplification of course is cheaper, but not a substitute. We had instances where I thought I saw an occasional echo on the radar, and sent Marie to the bow to look--yep it was a panga, with a native asleep, drifting right in our path. I was probably getting a very faint radar paint of the outboard. We also hit a Styrofoam float to a tuna net (3/4" steel cables), it spun the boat 180 degrees, even though I was out of gear. No damage, but the cable was imprinted on the boss of the prop! In another racing boat we hit ashipping container just at the surface--fortunately that boat had a 2 1/2" thick balsa core, and although the outer hull was breached, the inner hull layer was just delaminated, and no hole in the boat! I had already mentioned the Furuno Weather Fax--but you are going with the PC, and a good internet connection (I assume)--so that should work. You might also pull the output off the Icom 802 for your PC FAX system--both the receiver and the antenna system will be far better than the small Sony that you used in your experiments. On the fuel system--I agree with 99% and think you did a good job. Some go with the gulf Coast filters for their greater capacity in the polishing system. My only concern is the feed off the bottom of the tanks--two issues: One is that I want the very lowest part for sediment drain--several inches above for the transfer point. Second, Is I prefer a solid tubing to any hose. The risk there is minimal of both cutting or damage--or fire, but both are present, and a solid tubing gets away from these issues. In your case you can leave the valves shut unless you are transferring fuel. I assume that you have tank inspection plates. I had one instance where we got sea water in thru the tank vents--and I had to get into the tanks to completely clean them. After that, I made it a ritual to every 6 months run the fuel down to 50% or less, and then transfer out of one tank at a time, then open the tank, pump out any "crud" and then clean the bottom of the tank with paper towels. It was amazing what amount of debris we got. We also used a 3 section "Baja" filter when fueling--but only had 700 gallons, so much less fuel than you deal with (but also much about 1/4 the hp, for approximately the same length of boat, but lighter and narrower beam--and about the same speeds. The reason being that my boat was a motor sailor, and much different lines aft--which I will address a bit later). Gensets--again mostly informational. I prefer to set a larger boat up with two gensets--one to take all of of systems running at once, the other a night generator. The night generator would carry the back up systems, chargers and air conditioning/heating. My guess is that the factory had a 20 KW and a 16 KW in stock, so they put them in--you would be surprised how often this happens. There is no logic for the 4 KW difference. The one area think you may want to change, and that is the hydraulic vs. electric windlass and thrusters. At one point I was looking at boats this size, with thrusters, and there was between 25 and 50 hp hydraulic systems dedicated to these. Recently I bid on a US marshal's sale 65 footer, and it had two stern winches, the windlass and thruster running off the hydraulics (one pump on one of the two mains, and the other on a 25 KW genset). (The bank ended up buying it back for far more than it was worth--apparently the marshal's sale was just to clear the documented title.) Anchors--I like at least two, preferably 3 on the bow. I probably would add a bow pulpit with second anchor. Creative Marine has made some anchors for the oil rigs which would be big enough for your boat (SuperMax). The Ronca and Spade are also high on my list. I agree with the Fortress for stern--but if sometime you get caught in a hurricane, you don't have enough anchoring gear or way to handle it. Again--what are the risks? There are some parts of the world where it take specialty anchors to hold. For example I eventually had a special fisherman's type of anchor hand forged in Bodrum, Turkey to cut thru the heavy weeds. Before then I had to dive on the anchor with a hatchet, and cut the grass roots, to get the anchor started (75 lb CQR). This became my 3rd anchor forward--again a sailboat, so more room up there on a long bow sprit for anchors..and I had two windlasses forward. (The 3 part 150 lb anchor lived in the bilge, and was never used) Batteries--I don't like the 8D, but that is what you have. The L 16 or traction batteries are far superior, and I suspect if you keep the boat longer than a set of batteries, that is what you will go to. Not sure about the what your demands are, but suspect you will eventually want more battery capacity for the inverters and other systems. You did the correct thing by wiring the two banks together. The question is do you have the capacity to charge them rapidly? For example, I had both a 130 amp charger on the inverter, and a 150 amp alternator on the main and genset to charge a battery bank half the size of yours. Agree with the water maker capacity--I would run the genset a couple of hours a day: charge the batteries, heat the water, make water, wash clothes, compressor bring the holding plates on the refer and freezer down to low temps. Hull type--and this is not a criticism. Nordhavn put a flat surface on the 62's hull extension to get around the "stern squat" with the almost double ended hull. In your case, this design is built in. To me there may be some disadvantage in heavy following seas. My boat was double ended at the water line--that is as the hull lines came aft, there was not a lot of reserve buoyancy, and a very round underbody. The transom was typical "wine glass"--knife edge at the waterline, broad above. Despite being in 40 foot plus breaking seas, running down wind for a number of days, we never had a tendency to broach. It was not the water breaking against the upper part of the transom--the boat had enough lift to avoid that (some top of waves came aboard)--but there was nothing flat below the waterline for the wave to push around. I wonder how your flattened and concave area aft will work if you ever are unfortunate enough to encounter these conditions or a breaking bar at a harbor entrance? The good part, is that you can push the boat beyond the theoretical hull speed with out much stern squat. Now down to what I had mentioned in the last response, which I never sent. That is weather this time of the year between the Bahamas and Florida--can even go down to the Windward passage. Even with a boat your size and design, it can be very rough for quite some time. My concern is your time line. I have seen boats having to wait weeks to find an adequate weather window. A schedule is always difficult. The second issue is if you are taking crew or other experienced boaters with you? If just you and the wife and family standing watch, then it can be fatiguing. I find that the single overnighter is the hardest to deal with. After two nights, your body gets into the rhythm, and you do well with the 3 on and 3 off (that is our schedule--you may decide differently, or have more crew). Again, Thanks for including us in you very well written blog and analysis. We wish you the very best! I may even have to get an antenna up so I can talk with you en route on one of the ham nets! We look forward to following your voyages! Best regards! Bob and Marie Austin Pensacola, FL. You can access the blog entry here. This email was sent from this website: www.ourseaspirit.com -- To Unsubscribe: Click Here Website Name: www.ourseaspirit.com -- Email Address: blog-10582-comments@t... or, to unsubscribe, copy and paste this address into your browser: http://www.ourseaspirit.com/aspx/controls/mail/unsubscribe.aspx/parm/swoHktcjwtHe%40sDptfIm

 unknown  1/20/2011

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I just want to echo the thought on schedule and "winter" weather between Florida and the Bahamas. Be careful if the wind has any north vector in it and gets pretty ugly.

 JR  1/21/2011

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Thanks JR. The weather will always have veto power on our journeys. Our intention is to find a day where the wind/waves and currents are not in opposition, or if they are, they are very small.

 Dan Freedman  1/21/2011

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aMAZing! May you all have smooth sailing and safe harbours.

 Bob B.  2/1/2011

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Dan, I hope your voyage is going well. I enjoy following your blog with many pertinent insights into the boat design and purchase thought process. I come from the Nordhavn Dreamers site and am currently looking to buy a N-43 in the near future.The Sea Spirit line is the only other even near choice in my mind, but their boats are a little bigger and more expensive than I can afford. I have actually talked with Judy Waldman about any plans to build a smaller Sea Spirit closer to 45 feet, still thinking the 51 is to big/expensive. I just found a 2004 S&S-51 built by Halvorsen listed on Yachtworld for $745,000 and am curious if your have any knowledge of he origions of this boat. Halvorsen does not mention the building of the S&S design on their current website. Did Dan Fitz buy the design and build rights from S&S after 2004? Any light you could shed would be great.

 David Evans  2/11/2011

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David, I'm not sure how it works when a company like Sea Spirit Yachts contracts with a designer like Sparkman & Stephens to create a new boat. However, one thing I know about Dan Fritz is that he is VERY approachable. I would suggest giving him a phone call on the subject.

 Dan Freedman  2/13/2011

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Winter 2011: Training from Lauderdale to Georgetown and back!
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